ما مدى أهمية الانتصار في معركة الجيوش الخمسة؟

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كنت أتحدث إلى أحد الأصدقاء في الآونة الأخيرة عندما قلت إنني لم أكن أحب الطريقة التي حول بها بيتر جاكسون معركة الجيوش الخمسة إلى معركة الأرض الوسطى. رد صديقي بـ " حسنًا كان ، في رأيي ".

سألت لماذا ، وقال إنه يعتقد ، أنه إذا كان رجال بحيرة تاون ، الجان والأقزام قد فشلوا في التغلب على جيش بولج أن سورون قد انتهى الأمر استرداد الحلبة. أجبته بأن الجيش في بوتافا كان مستقلاً عن سورون ، لكن صديقي رد قائلا إنه بسبب احتواء الجيش على العفاريت ، فإن الحلقة كانت ستنتهي مع ساورون

هل هناك أي حقيقة لهذا الادعاء؟ هل كانت معركة حرجة في تاريخ الأرض الوسطى؟

    
مجموعة user31546 04.11.2014 / 22:55

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كان من المهم بالنسبة إلى أحداث LOTR ، على الرغم من ذلك. أخذت أحداث The Hobbit قوات سموغ وقوات Goblin / Orc من جبال ضبابية من خطط ساورون. بدون هذا ، لكانت هناك حرب مدمرة في الشمال وكذلك في الجنوب. على الرغم من أن الرجال والأقزام والألفيون من الشمال لم يساعد كثيرا في الدفاع عن هيلمز ديب وجوندور ، فقط عن طريق وجودهم هناك كان يعني أن سورون كان عليه أن يحتفظ ببعض قواته للتعامل معهم في وقت لاحق. كانت فقط ساحرة Angmar و Orcs of Minas Morgul (معززة من قبل الرجال من أقصى الجنوب والشرق) التي أرسلت ضد Gondor ، وليس جيش Sauron الشخصي من Mordor. كان على ساورون حجز تلك الخاصة بالتعامل مع لوثورين وريفينديل والشمال.

هذا الاقتباس من LOTR ، الملحق أ ، يصف أفكار Gandalf قبل لقاء Thorin بالصدفة في Bree:

But at last there came about by chance a meeting between Gandalf and Thorin that changed all the fortunes of the House of Durin, and led to other and greater ends beside. On a time Thorin, returning west from a journey, stayed at Bree for the night. There Gandalf was also. He was on his way to the Shire, which he had not visited for some twenty years. He was weary, and thought to rest there for a while.

Among many cares he was troubled in mind by the perilous state of the North; because he knew then already that Sauron was plotting war, and intended, as soon as he felt strong enough, to attack Rivendell. But to resist any attempt from the East to regain the lands of Angmar and the northern passes in the mountains there were now only the Dwarves of the Iron Hills. And beyond them lay the desolation of the Dragon. The Dragon Sauron might use with terrible effect. How then could the end of Smaug be achieved?

توضح نهاية الملحق "أ" الأهمية التكتيكية لمعركة الجيوش الخمسة:

The Dragon was slain by Bard of Esgaroth, but there was battle in Dale. For the Orcs came down upon Erebor as soon as they heard of the return of the Dwarves; and they were led by Bolg, son of that Azog whom Dáin slew in his youth. In that first Battle of Dale, Thorin Oakenshield was mortally wounded; and he died and was laid in a tomb under the Mountain with the Arkenstone upon his breast. There fell also Fíli and Kíli, his sister-sons. But Dáin Ironfoot, his cousin, who came from the Iron Hills to his aid and was also his rightful heir, became then King Dáin II, and the Kingdom under the Mountain was restored, even as Gandalf had desired. Dáin proved a great and wise king, and the Dwarves prospered and grew strong again in his day.

In the late summer of that same year (2941) Gandalf had at last prevailed upon Saruman and the White Council to attack Dol Guldur, and Sauron retreated and went to Mordor, there to be secure, as he thought, from all his enemies. So it was that when the War came at last the main assault was turned southwards; yet even so with his far-stretched right hand Sauron might have done great evil in the North, if King Dáin and King Brand had not stood in his path. Even as Gandalf said afterwards to Frodo and Gimli, when they dwelt together for a time in Minas Tirith. Not long before news had come to Gondor of events far away.

‘I grieved at the fall of Thorin,’ said Gandalf; ‘and now we hear that Dáin has fallen, fighting in Dale again, even while we fought here. I should call that a heavy loss, if it was not a wonder rather that in his great age he could still wield his axe as mightily as they say that he did, standing over the body of King Brand before the Gate of Erebor until the darkness fell.

'Yet things might have gone far otherwise and far worse. When you think of the great Battle of the Pelennor, do not forget the battles in Dale and the valour of Durin's Folk. Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell. There might be no Queen in Gondor. We might now hope to return from the victory here only to ruin and ash. But that has been averted - because I met Thorin Oakenshield one evening on the edge of spring in Bree. A chance-meeting, as we say in Middle-earth.'

أو ربما يد Ilúvatar (Eru).

    
الجواب معين 04.11.2014 / 23:38
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يشرح غاندالف السبب - لو حدثت معركة الجيوش الخمسة ، فلم يكن هناك في وقت لاحق الملك داين والملك براند للوقوف خلال حرب الطوق ، وكان ذلك أمرًا حاسمًا لهزيمة سورون:

So it was that when the War came at last the main assault was turned southwards; yet even so with his far-stretched right hand Sauron might have done great evil in the North, if King Dáin and King Brand had not stood in his path.

... (هذا كله من الملاحق في عودة الملك):

'I grieved at the fall of Thorin,' said Gandalf; 'and now we hear that Dáin has fallen, fighting in Dale again, even while we fought here. I should call that a heavy loss, if it was not a wonder rather that in his great age he could still wield his axe as mightily as they say that he did, standing over the body of King Brand before the Gate of Erebor until the darkness fell.

'Yet things might have gone far otherwise and far worse. When you think of the great Battle of the Pelennor, do not forget the battles in Dale and the valour of Durin's Folk. Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell. There might be no Queen in Gondor. We might now hope to return from the victory here only to ruin and ash. But that has been averted - because I met Thorin Oakenshield one evening on the edge of spring in Bree. A chance-meeting, as we say in Middle-earth.'

    
الجواب معين 05.11.2014 / 01:46